from All BETS OFF
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM
subject RE: Re: Re: your new band name
This is David,
Alright bro, I really didn't want to get into this stupid battle over a band NAME, I never knew of you guys at all. We thought it was ok to take the name cuz you guys hadn't been a band for three years. When we first were thinking about that band name the whole band got wasted one night and through out a shit load of band names on the table and at the end of the night one of us said All Bets Off. in the morning we had all of these crazy band names written down in drunken handwriting, it was down to All Bets Off and For the Win. So the next night we played a game of beer pong 2 vs 2 of the band of four who would be the winner of the name. All Bets Off won 5 games in a row. We thought it was ment to be. We were so stoked on that name you have no idea, it sparked up a new chapter in our life to get a little more into this band... So we had no idea that you guys were out there at all. And we had that name up for 3 months until you email me in the morn with a website that is just a list of people bashing on us for no reason that I knew at the time. Little did I know that it was about a band name. I got pissed off right away at this whole thing in general. But then my bass player took it into his own hands without talking to the band that he was going to change our name and write you a letter saying sorry. That made me a little more upset that he did that behind our backs without talking to us... you know how it goes. So thats why I freaked out and said "WE ARE NOT CHANGING OUR NAME" But we've been thinking that we might do so. Not cuz you said we have to or that we got so many emails, more so because all of your fans that are so dedicated to you and are very nice. I got a lot of emails from your fans, which i'm sure you put them up to, which we're very long and well thought out. Some mean but most of them very very nice asking us to change our name in a nice way. I feel IF I got a ton of emails just saying fuck you this fuck you that we wouldn't have been so willing. So you can thank your fans for being good people and taking a mature way out of this. So we will be changing the band name soon. I'm sorry about all this and if there is any miss spelling in this page as well ha ha... We have a showing coming up and all the work is done with that to have our name is how it is, so all I ask is if we can keep the name till the show is done and we come up with a new one? I hope we are good now and we can become friends after this. Sorry
David
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from RyanAMeier@gmail.com
to sammywinston@gmail.com
date Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 2:46 PM
subject (no subject)
well we spoke recently about the current conflict and it looks like David in my band isn't being cooperative like the rest of us. To anything regarding what he has said and his lack of grammar we all are sticking with what I said already. The rest of us are pissed off at him and we think its just fucked up that he has the nerve to go over our head. Its stupid and the 3 of us are siding with you and we are changing our name. Like I said before and it sucks that I have to keep apologizing for him. I also apologize for him testing your patience its really just childish and we don't know where this is coming from because he usually doesn't act like this. Like I told you before I am not a tool and I am being sincere and so is Matt and the other Ryan. I don't really mind your fans sending us the e-mails because I really just want nothing to do with this. Hopefully you will believe me and know that we honestly didn't know about you guys because David was the one that did the research on the name. If I knew what I do now this situation would have never came up. So if he says anything on that its on him. I can't get on the bands myspace to change it so I am sorry I wish I could. I apologize about this sincerely and I just wanted to write to you to tell you that whatever that has been said are his actions and his actions alone and we all did talk about this and now he just has this ego and it's pissing us off. hopefully we can come to a conclusion soon because I really don't want to get mixed up in this.
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from sammy winston
to RyanAMeier@gmail.com
date Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:24 AM
subject Re: (no subject)
I'm glad to hear that you and David have reached a consensus and will
be changing your name. Granted, I have heard that before from you
guys. I trust that this time, you mean it. Against my better judgment,
and the opinions of others who care about this situation, I am willing
to allow you to use the name until your October show with Energy in
Denver. I know how hard it is to have a new band and to get a great
show like that. So I understand the need to focus now on your set and
not this situation. However, I must insist that the minute the amps
are turned off and the lights go out at the end of the night, you no
longer use the name in any capacity. This includes removing all
references to it on your Myspace profile, Facebook, et al. And, not
just the profile name, but the banners, ads and anything else that
bears the name All Bets Off. You have assured that this would be done,
and if you fail to keep your word, the consideration that I have
extended throughout this situation will come to a very abrupt end. I
am friends with a number of people in Denver who will be attending
your show, as well as with people on the tour itself, so if you
slander my good name or the good name of my All Bets Off, I assure you
that it will get back to me. I will assume this won’t happen. I wish
you all the best with your band and hope our conflicts are now ended.
Wednesday, September 23, 2009
Friday, September 18, 2009
correspondance 9/17-9/18
from sammy winston
to allbetsoffrocks@myspace.com
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM
subject your new band name
I am writing to inform you that there is a band with the name All Bets
Off, which you must have been aware of because the domain was already claimed when you set up your profile on Myspace. The original All Bets Off has had a ten-year career which included the release of four LPs, three EPs, numerous tours, a sizable following, and a soon-to-be released DVD. I understand that you only recently changed your band name from Formatted To Fit to All Bets Off; so hopefully, it will not
be too much of an inconvenience for you to find another new name. We certainly wouldn't want confusion among the respective fans. I am
hopeful that you will rectify this situation before it becomes
problematic for both parties. Please respond to this email.
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from ALL BETS OFF
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM
subject RE: your new band name
but broke up 3 years ago
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from ALL BETS OFF
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
subject RE: your new band name
We would like to apologize to you if we had any disrespect. We didn't realize it or really look into it before this. We all get where you are coming from and understand that it was pretty shitty of us to send that last e-mail we ment know disrespect towards it. We have been getting hounded for it all day but still it was no excuse. Now that we realize who you are its more understandable. It suck for a shitty band like us tried to steal our name later on so we get it. We will change our name, and anything with your name on it. Again we would like to apologize for any inconvience we have brought to you and your fans. Trust me we saw how mad your fans were, you guys are pretty lucky to have a following like that.
-Ryan
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from sammy winston
to "ALL BETS OFF
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
subject Re: your new band name
I certainly hope your sentiment is genuine and not sarcastic. I'm
pretty confident that the former is the case and I thank you. I had no
idea you were hounded by people, nor did I encourage it. I mentioned
it only to a few folks because I was unsure of how to feel about the
situation. Part of my ambivalence was that I hate weird band conflicts like this. I assure you that my only concern was for the kids who care about us, not a creepy "music business" ego trip. I'm glad that we were able to resolve this with very little complication.
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from new name we know Allegrezza
to "sammywinston@gmail.com
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM
subject RE: Re: your new band name
haha yeah I wasn't being a tool and we get it. I am taking a class on music buisness and am a music major (I dont write any of the music I promise you) and just finished reading about copy right and the poor mans copy right so I had a talk with everyone and told them whats up. Someone sent us the forum on hardcoremusic.com. Don't feel bad or anything we know we suck. We don't want the confusion of names either or to inturde on your bands legacy. So I am sorry truley and if your new band ramparts? right comes to colorado ever hit us up and we'll make sure to hook you up with some shows with some good bands.
-Ryan
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from new name we know Allegrezza
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM
subject RE: Re: your new band name
This is David from the band.... WHERE NOT CHANGING OUR NAME
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from sammy winston
to new name we know Allegrezza
date Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM
subject Re: Re: your new band name
It was disappointing to receive your email, David, especially
considering the productive correspondence that your bandmate Ryan and I shared. I suppose this will be a little more complicated than
anticipated. I certainly hope that you reconsider your position
because my affability does have its limits.
to allbetsoffrocks@myspace.com
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM
subject your new band name
I am writing to inform you that there is a band with the name All Bets
Off, which you must have been aware of because the domain was already claimed when you set up your profile on Myspace. The original All Bets Off has had a ten-year career which included the release of four LPs, three EPs, numerous tours, a sizable following, and a soon-to-be released DVD. I understand that you only recently changed your band name from Formatted To Fit to All Bets Off; so hopefully, it will not
be too much of an inconvenience for you to find another new name. We certainly wouldn't want confusion among the respective fans. I am
hopeful that you will rectify this situation before it becomes
problematic for both parties. Please respond to this email.
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from ALL BETS OFF
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM
subject RE: your new band name
but broke up 3 years ago
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from ALL BETS OFF
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
subject RE: your new band name
We would like to apologize to you if we had any disrespect. We didn't realize it or really look into it before this. We all get where you are coming from and understand that it was pretty shitty of us to send that last e-mail we ment know disrespect towards it. We have been getting hounded for it all day but still it was no excuse. Now that we realize who you are its more understandable. It suck for a shitty band like us tried to steal our name later on so we get it. We will change our name, and anything with your name on it. Again we would like to apologize for any inconvience we have brought to you and your fans. Trust me we saw how mad your fans were, you guys are pretty lucky to have a following like that.
-Ryan
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from sammy winston
to "ALL BETS OFF
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
subject Re: your new band name
I certainly hope your sentiment is genuine and not sarcastic. I'm
pretty confident that the former is the case and I thank you. I had no
idea you were hounded by people, nor did I encourage it. I mentioned
it only to a few folks because I was unsure of how to feel about the
situation. Part of my ambivalence was that I hate weird band conflicts like this. I assure you that my only concern was for the kids who care about us, not a creepy "music business" ego trip. I'm glad that we were able to resolve this with very little complication.
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from new name we know Allegrezza
to "sammywinston@gmail.com
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM
subject RE: Re: your new band name
haha yeah I wasn't being a tool and we get it. I am taking a class on music buisness and am a music major (I dont write any of the music I promise you) and just finished reading about copy right and the poor mans copy right so I had a talk with everyone and told them whats up. Someone sent us the forum on hardcoremusic.com. Don't feel bad or anything we know we suck. We don't want the confusion of names either or to inturde on your bands legacy. So I am sorry truley and if your new band ramparts? right comes to colorado ever hit us up and we'll make sure to hook you up with some shows with some good bands.
-Ryan
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from new name we know Allegrezza
to "sammywinston@gmail.com"
date Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM
subject RE: Re: your new band name
This is David from the band.... WHERE NOT CHANGING OUR NAME
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from sammy winston
to new name we know Allegrezza
date Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM
subject Re: Re: your new band name
It was disappointing to receive your email, David, especially
considering the productive correspondence that your bandmate Ryan and I shared. I suppose this will be a little more complicated than
anticipated. I certainly hope that you reconsider your position
because my affability does have its limits.
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